Monday 9 November 2015

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Discussion: The Lack of Female Masturbation in YA

I really wanted to write a post for Sex in Teen Lit Month II recommending books with positive scenes of female masturbation, but I couldn't think of many. So, as I do when I want recommendations, I put a call out on Twitter, and got only a few recommendations back - again. (Thanks to Kirsty, Sophie & Caoimhe for the recs.)

Della Says OMG! by Keris Stainton How to Build a Girl by Caitlin Moran Going Too Far by Jennifer Echols Anatomy of a Boyfriend by Daria Snadowsky

This really bothered me. So then I went to Carrie Mesrobian and Christa Desir's The Oral History Podcast (which I've already posted about - their podcast are awesome, do go listen!) and listened to the one on masturbation to see if they had any recommendations. Although they mention a few that have scenes or at least a mention, they couldn't think of too many either - not of female masturbation, at least. What they say in that podcast on female masturbation and discussion around it is really interesting, and worth a listen, but what I found really surprising is what they say about writing female masturbation scenes: there has to be a reason.

For guys, they say, it can be because they're bored, thinking about the girl they want to have sex with, or because they wake up with an erection, but for a girls, there has to be a reason for it when it comes to the plot. They talk about scenes in some adult books where it's about taking the characters taking ownership of their body, which is important plot wise. But they couldn't understand why they would write a female masturbation scene if it wasn't bringing anything to the plot. (They also discuss how it would be quite difficult to write an actual female masturbation scene due to description and terminology, and making that not seem weird and awkward. I get that. I do, but I still think they should be tried.)

Which I found really odd. I could be completely misunderstanding what they're saying, so please, again, listen to the podcast yourself, but it's something I'd like to talk about seeing as there are so few YA novels that cover this. Would a female character not masturbate if it was true to her, I.E. she was quite a sexual character, enjoyed sex and owned her sexuality, and was turned on by thinking about the guy/s she likes? Surely for that plot, it shows another aspect of her being comfortable in her skin and with her sexuality, right? And with there being so little conversation in and out of books, it seems, on female masturbation, showing those scenes has got to be important towards normalising it, as male masturbation is. I can't count the number of books I've read that mention/joke about/include scenes of guys "jerking off/wanking". It's so normal, I doubt any teen reader even raises an eyebrow at it anymore. But female masturbation is something completely different.

I didn't know about female masturbation until I read Deenie by Judy Blume when I was about 11. To be perfectly honest, I didn't really know what Deenie was going on about when she talked about touching her "special place" - I had no clue where abouts on her body she was referring to, it could have been on her arm for all I knew. It wasn't until the scene where there's a sex ed discussion with a class of girls and the gym teacher, and her question gets asked that I realised where exactly she was touching herself. And the teacher's discussion of it - it's perfectly normal and healthy - were good enough for me. I knew people didn't talk about it, and maybe it wasn't something we weren't supposed to talk about, but it was fine thing to do, so I never really considered it to be dirty or shameful.

And once I was an older teenager, female masturbation was something my friends and I talked about quite a lot, at least with one friend in particular. We were quite open, so I don't know if that's just us and our friendship, but we did talk about it. I'm not saying we got graphic and descriptive, but we would talk about it almost like you hear about guys talking about it; like it was no big deal, and even in a kind of jokey manner. With other friends, even if it wasn't a particular conversation we had often, we kind of knew that it was something most - if not all - of us did. I guess some were embarrassed or whatever, which is fine, but it's not like it was a subject that didn't come up at all.

So for there to be this complete lack of a conversation about, or actual scenes showing/mentioning female masturbation, I just don't understand it. There aren't enough, and I don't get why they're not there. It seems to me in books with male protagonists, when they're masturbating, it's because that's what they - the characters - do, so why can't it be the same for female protagonists?

As I said, there are a few YA novels that mention female masturbation in some way covered in the The Oral History Podcast linked to above, with the titles including masturbation of all genders in the show notes, and Keris Stainton wrote a post for Beth Kemp's blog with her "Female Fiction Fiddling" List (thanks again to Sophie for telling me about this post), but there aren't really enough. And this bothers me.

What do you guys think? Should there be more female masturbation in YA? Do you think that would that help normalise it in society? Or would you rather not read that?

12 comments:

  1. To be completely honest, I hadn't thought about this at all. I am pretty sure I didn't "really" masturbate until I was in my 20s, but I felt like such a late bloomer there. I was shocked to discover what I had been missing. So YES, I think there should be mention of masturbation if it fits the character/situation. I have a teenage daughter and I don't mind if she reads about it.

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    1. Right? It doesn't hurt anyone not to masturbate if they don't know about it, but if girls are, and they think it's something shameful, it needs to be normalised. And what better way than in YA?

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  2. I never really thought about it. I think that female sexuality still make people uncomfortable. Women are not suppose to like sex. We are suppose to fall in love and show that love through sex with our partner. Only men are suppose to want that physical release with nothing else attached to it.

    I wouldn't mind if I read a book that had a masturbation scene in it. That would be an added layer to round out a realistic character.

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    1. That's so true, and so wrong. Women are sexual beings too! We're alowed to enjoy sex, and enjoy our own bodies, but apparently this is not ok in society, and makes it's way to books too? It's so sad.

      "An added layer to round out a realistic character" - YES!

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  3. Wow, this is a really surprising discussion post! I've never thought about this, but now that I think about it, I haven't read any either. I'll check out those recs though. :)

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    1. I'm really surprised by how so many people have never thought about it before. Not a criticism, just surprising to me :)

      Hope you enjoy the recs! :)

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  4. I have to confess that I never gave this any thought before, but you make some really good points - especially about the differences in the way that male and female masturbation are handled. It's so true that girls are given the impression that this is something "normal" for boys but not for them. I agree that if it fit in with the story, why not show it?

    Nicole @ Feed Your Fiction Addiction

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    1. Yessss! Exactly! Let girls enjoy their bodies in YA, it's perfectly normal!

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  5. I really think this needs to be more prominent, as well as discussions of periods etc. and all other things that are natural in teen bodies. Too many teenage girls think of their body's natural impulses and needs as disgusting.

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    1. THISSSS! So much yes to this! We need it more in books! Again, I will say: why not help normalising such things by putting them in YA?

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  6. A few sentences in, I was all, "Deenie!" and then you mentioned her. Judy Blume also did the emotional side of getting your period, and everything I know about wet dreams I learned from her "Then Again, Maybe I Won't."

    Your point about YA lit being able to normalize female masturbation is so true--I was in my mid-twenties before I ever heard another woman talk about masturbating, but Deenie really did make me assume it was widely done. It is kind of weird to think that girls growing up today might not read any books that include it. I've also noticed that in movies, female masturbation is often done to show depravity. In Single White Woman, the creepy murdering girl spies on her roomie and boyfriend having sex, then goes off to masturbate. Guys jerking off are usually played for laughs (or, sometimes, pathos), but again, there's an assumption that guys do this all the time, but women...only if they're super weird and creepy.

    I hadn't thought about this before, but now I'm all ticked off.

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    1. It's been such a long time since I read Then Again, Maybe I Won't that I can't remember the wet dream scene/s. But Blume is pretty awesome for giving us insights into such things. But her books were written such a long time ago. We need more for today's teens, who might not necessarily pick up Blume's books.

      I've not seen Single White Female, but when I have seen movies showing female masturbation, it's used to titilate the audience (mainly the male members of the audience, I would guess at, because of sexist our society is), rather than to show a woman enjoying her body.

      I really think this is something we need more of. I hope publishers and authors realise it.

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